Tiscali 150kbs broadband

[Bob Smith]

I have just signed up to Tiscali broadband 150kbs, and was wondering if
anyone else here had tried it.

The data rate seems to be 4 times faster than my modem, so large files
download well. Unfortunately, there seems to be a 20 second delay before
any data starts coming, so it is actually slower than my dialup modem for
viewing web pages. Does anyone else have this problem?

Thanks

Bob

[Bob Smith]

"Josey" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Bob Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I have just signed up to Tiscali broadband 150kbs, and was wondering if
> > anyone else here had tried it.
> >
> > The data rate seems to be 4 times faster than my modem, so large files
> > download well. Unfortunately, there seems to be a 20 second delay
before
> > any data starts coming, so it is actually slower than my dialup modem
for
> > viewing web pages. Does anyone else have this problem?
>
>
> Try different DNS servers, that could be the cause.
>
> Jc.
>
>
Thanks for that. Do I have to get a list from Tiscali? Or are there some
anyone can use?

Bob

[Tiscali Tim]

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Josey > wrote:

> "Bob Smith" > wrote in
>
>
>> Thanks for that. Do I have to get a list from Tiscali? Or are
>> there some anyone can use?
>
> I don't recall anyone else complaining about Tiscalli's DNS recently
> servers so it might not be that. Worth going over to
> www.adslguide.org and seeing if anyone else has a similar problem
> (use the search function in the forums).
>
> Otherwise you could try ns0.pipex.net as your dns server just to test
> to see if that sorts it.
>
> Jc.

Er, how's he supposed to get to ns0.pipex.net without first resolving its IP
address by using a *different* DNS server? [Ever tried to lift yourself by
standing in a bucket and pulling on the handle?]

To use the pipex server, it is necessary to use its IP address, which
appears to be:
158.43.128.8

--
Cheers,
Tim
______
Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is Black Hole!

[Bob Smith]

"Tiscali Tim" > wrote in message
...
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Josey > wrote:
>
> > "Bob Smith" > wrote in
> >
> >
> >> Thanks for that. Do I have to get a list from Tiscali? Or are
> >> there some anyone can use?
> >
> > I don't recall anyone else complaining about Tiscalli's DNS recently
> > servers so it might not be that. Worth going over to
> > www.adslguide.org and seeing if anyone else has a similar problem
> > (use the search function in the forums).
> >
> > Otherwise you could try ns0.pipex.net as your dns server just to test
> > to see if that sorts it.
> >
> > Jc.
>
> Er, how's he supposed to get to ns0.pipex.net without first resolving its
IP
> address by using a *different* DNS server? [Ever tried to lift yourself by
> standing in a bucket and pulling on the handle?]
>
> To use the pipex server, it is necessary to use its IP address, which
> appears to be:
> 158.43.128.8
>

Thanks everyone. The DNS server is working though (I do get a web page
after about 20 seconds). I will put the numbers in tonight to see if that
one is faster (assuming pipex let other folk use their servers)

Bob

[steve h]

Hi,

Mine works fine for web and audio streams at 128k with no problems but the
news server is too slow to be of any use, anyone know an alternative news
server other than the standard ??

Steve H
"Bob Smith" > wrote in message
...
> I have just signed up to Tiscali broadband 150kbs, and was wondering if
> anyone else here had tried it.
>
> The data rate seems to be 4 times faster than my modem, so large files
> download well. Unfortunately, there seems to be a 20 second delay before
> any data starts coming, so it is actually slower than my dialup modem for
> viewing web pages. Does anyone else have this problem?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
>
>

[Jim Crowther]

In message >, steve h
> writes:

>Hi,
>
>Mine works fine for web and audio streams at 128k with no problems but the
>news server is too slow to be of any use, anyone know an alternative news
>server other than the standard ??

news.individual.net - text-only, but lets you be ISP independent.
Supports NewNews.

--
Jim Crowther "It's MY computer" (tm SMG)
Avoid more swen by dumping your old Usenet addresses, and
put 'spam' or 'delete' somewhere in the Reply-to: header.
Help yourself avoid the spam: <http://keir.net/k9.html>

[Bob Smith]

"Tiscali Tim" > wrote in message
...
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Josey > wrote:
>
> > "Bob Smith" > wrote in
> >
> >
> >> Thanks for that. Do I have to get a list from Tiscali? Or are
> >> there some anyone can use?
> >
> > I don't recall anyone else complaining about Tiscalli's DNS recently
> > servers so it might not be that. Worth going over to
> > www.adslguide.org and seeing if anyone else has a similar problem
> > (use the search function in the forums).
> >
> > Otherwise you could try ns0.pipex.net as your dns server just to test
> > to see if that sorts it.
> >
> > Jc.
>
> Er, how's he supposed to get to ns0.pipex.net without first resolving its
IP
> address by using a *different* DNS server? [Ever tried to lift yourself by
> standing in a bucket and pulling on the handle?]
>
> To use the pipex server, it is necessary to use its IP address, which
> appears to be:
> 158.43.128.8
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Tim
> ______
> Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is Black Hole!
>
>
Well, it would not connect when I put Tiscali's DNS numbers in, or the pipex
ones. Maybe I have to put the WINS numbers in that are on the same screen.

I went through the tiscali connection help screen, and noticed that
"compress IP headers" was turned off on my settings, but not theirs. I
think it may have speeded it up a bit, but I could be imagining it.

Anyone got any more ideas?

Bob

[Phil Thompson]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:28:39 +0000 (UTC), "Bob Smith"
> wrote:

>Anyone got any more ideas?

what download speed do you get, for example the adslguide speed test
at http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedtest.asp

Interesting to see if you have just a delay or a speed problem as well

Phil

[Bob Smith]

"Phil Thompson" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:28:39 +0000 (UTC), "Bob Smith"
> > wrote:
>
> >Anyone got any more ideas?
>
> what download speed do you get, for example the adslguide speed test
> at http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedtest.asp
>
> Interesting to see if you have just a delay or a speed problem as well
>
> Phil

OK, will try that tonight when I am at home. I think the speed is OK though
(17k/sec on 150kbs).

Tiscali actually replied to my email. They mentioned firewall software may
be getting in the way, and that it is known to slow data rates down.
Something about selecting 56k as my connection speed when I installed it.
They suggested uninstalling it, and if I wanted to use it, to tell it I had
ASDL during the installation process. I have zonealarm (which they
mentioned) so will try this, although it sounds like a smokescreen answer to
me.

Bob

[Bob Smith]

"Phil Thompson" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:28:39 +0000 (UTC), "Bob Smith"
> > wrote:
>
> >Anyone got any more ideas?
>
> what download speed do you get, for example the adslguide speed test
> at http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedtest.asp
>
> Interesting to see if you have just a delay or a speed problem as well
>
> Phil

I get 152kbs downstream, and 260kbs upstream.

Bob

[M Wright]

In article >, steve h
> writes
>Hi,
>
>Mine works fine for web and audio streams at 128k with no problems but the
>news server is too slow to be of any use, anyone know an alternative news
>server other than the standard ??
>
>Steve H
>"Bob Smith" > wrote in message
...
>> I have just signed up to Tiscali broadband 150kbs, and was wondering if
>> anyone else here had tried it.
>>
>> The data rate seems to be 4 times faster than my modem, so large files
>> download well. Unfortunately, there seems to be a 20 second delay before
>> any data starts coming, so it is actually slower than my dialup modem for
>> viewing web pages. Does anyone else have this problem?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>
>

Hi I use
news.lineone.net I am an old Lineone member though, with a lineone email
address. It might matter
--
M Wright

[Bob Smith]

>
>
> Hi I use
> news.lineone.net I am an old Lineone member though, with a lineone email
> address. It might matter
> --
> M Wright

That's strange, my lineone email account became unusable ages ago, but the
news server is still there.

Usually you can only get at a news server if you connect via the ISP who run
it, so I suppose tiscali took over the lineone news server.

Bob

[Bob Smith]

I got rid of zonealarm altogether (telling it I had broadband did not work),
and the problem seems to have gone away.

Bob

[Julian Knight]

In message >, Bob Smith
> writes
>I got rid of zonealarm altogether (telling it I had broadband did not work),
>and the problem seems to have gone away.
>
Do make sure that you replace it with something good like Agnitum
Outpost or Kerio Personal Firewall.

A personal firewall is one of the most important bits of the security
toolkit.

--
Julian Knight,
Sheffield, South Yorkshire, United Kingdom.
Security, Directory, Messaging, Network & PC Consultant
http://www.knightnet.org.uk/

[Julian Knight]

In message >, Bob Smith
> writes
>I have just signed up to Tiscali broadband 150kbs, and was wondering if
>anyone else here had tried it.
>
>The data rate seems to be 4 times faster than my modem, so large files
>download well. Unfortunately, there seems to be a 20 second delay before
>any data starts coming, so it is actually slower than my dialup modem for
>viewing web pages. Does anyone else have this problem?
>
Do you know if the line noise requirements for a 150k service is less
than that for a full ADSL?

I am interested because my line is marginal.

--
Julian Knight,
Sheffield, South Yorkshire, United Kingdom.
Security, Directory, Messaging, Network & PC Consultant
http://www.knightnet.org.uk/

[Bob Smith]

> >
> Do you know if the line noise requirements for a 150k service is less
> than that for a full ADSL?
>
> I am interested because my line is marginal.
>

Not sure. My connection (in the system tray) says it has connected at
2,222,222kbs (or some other 2 million type number) so it may be at the same
rate, just throttled at the server.

I just got it cos it was £2 quid a month more than my unlimited dialup
subscription, with free modem and connection.

Bob

[Phil Thompson]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:47:22 +0000, Julian Knight
> wrote:

>Do you know if the line noise requirements for a 150k service is less
>than that for a full ADSL?

the *attenuation* requirements are the same. It is normally provided
over a 2M circuit, if that fails it will be 512k. The rules are the
same as standard ADSL at those speeds.

Phil

[Kráftéé]

Julian Knight wrote:
> In message >, Bob Smith
> > writes
>> I have just signed up to Tiscali broadband 150kbs, and was
>> wondering if anyone else here had tried it.
>>
>> The data rate seems to be 4 times faster than my modem, so large
>> files download well. Unfortunately, there seems to be a 20 second
>> delay before any data starts coming, so it is actually slower than
>> my dialup modem for viewing web pages. Does anyone else have this
>> problem?
>>
> Do you know if the line noise requirements for a 150k service is
> less than that for a full ADSL?
>
> I am interested because my line is marginal.

If anything it's higher as Tiscalli appear to be ordering 2meg services,
for some reason or other, for their 150k customers (& then restricting them
in house). I know people who have failed their line tests with a Tiscalli
order & yet have succeded in getting a 512k service elsewhere.

There has to be some logic here, but for the life of me I can't see it...

[Kráftéé]

Phil Thompson wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:47:22 +0000, Julian Knight
> > wrote:
>
>> Do you know if the line noise requirements for a 150k service is
>> less than that for a full ADSL?
>
> the *attenuation* requirements are the same. It is normally provided
> over a 2M circuit, if that fails it will be 512k. The rules are the
> same as standard ADSL at those speeds.
>

Talking to one ende user today who failed the line test (remember it's a
2meg service) so Tiscalli told them they couldn't have a 150k connection but
they could have a 512k if they were willing to pay the extra...Go figure...

[Kráftéé]

Mugwump wrote:
> In article >,
> Kráftéé said......
>
> <snip>
>
>> If anything it's higher as Tiscalli appear to be ordering 2meg
>> services, for some reason or other, for their 150k customers (&
>> then restricting them in house). I know people who have failed
>> their line tests with a Tiscalli order & yet have succeded in
>> getting a 512k service elsewhere.
>>
>> There has to be some logic here, but for the life of me I can't
>> see it...
>>
>>
>>
> I would think that since they are using Datastream, the 2 meg
> datastream product is the cheapest for them to buy.

As I said there must be some logic, thanks for shedding some light on the
matter....

[Phil Thompson]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:55:40 -0000, Mugwump > wrote:

>I would think that since they are using Datastream, the 2 meg datastream
>product is the cheapest for them to buy.

all datastreams are the same price. It makes sense to connect at 2M
then upgrade the customer's speed later (if required) without having
to involve BT.

Tiscali are a bit feckless, the should just re-order a 512k datastream
port and get that installed for the 512k service. Of 4 enabled
exchanges near me they have a connection to just one, so the
availability is a bit of an issue (same applies to plusnet's adsl
connect series which is also delivered by tiscali).

Phil

[Julian Knight]

In message >, Bob Smith
> writes
>> >
>> Do you know if the line noise requirements for a 150k service is less
>> than that for a full ADSL?
>>
>> I am interested because my line is marginal.
>>
>
>Not sure. My connection (in the system tray) says it has connected at
>2,222,222kbs (or some other 2 million type number) so it may be at the same
>rate, just throttled at the server.
>
>I just got it cos it was £2 quid a month more than my unlimited dialup
>subscription, with free modem and connection.

Yep, PlusNet offer the same thing.

--
Julian Knight,
Sheffield, South Yorkshire, United Kingdom.
Security, Directory, Messaging, Network & PC Consultant
http://www.knightnet.org.uk/

[Julian Knight]

In message >, Phil Thompson
> writes
>On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:47:22 +0000, Julian Knight
> wrote:
>
>>Do you know if the line noise requirements for a 150k service is less
>>than that for a full ADSL?
>
>the *attenuation* requirements are the same. It is normally provided
>over a 2M circuit, if that fails it will be 512k. The rules are the
>same as standard ADSL at those speeds.
>
>Phil

Thanks for the info Phil.

I really must try again to see if I can now get ADSL.

--
Julian Knight,
Sheffield, South Yorkshire, United Kingdom.
Security, Directory, Messaging, Network & PC Consultant
http://www.knightnet.org.uk/